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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:48 am 
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Regarding the Deanna Walker article. Some people wonder why some actresses are reluctant to do nude or intimate scenes. It's because guys are assholes with big mouths. Can't believe someone would yell that at her.


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Regarding the Deanna Walker article. Some people wonder why some actresses are reluctant to do nude or intimate scenes. It's because guys are assholes with big mouths. Can't believe someone would yell that at her.


It's akin to beautiful white-girl-hooking-up-with-black-(perceived)-ugly-guy syndrome. If Walker's character was fat and unattractive, nobody will care. But Dreama is simply one gorgeous creature who chose to do something daring. Yes it was unexpected from an actress who was safe bet for long term on TV. Not someone you'll see stripping in an indie movie and getting sexually abused by a middle-aged guy towards the end. But Kimberly Williams did show her boobies once in a movie rather surprisingly.
Keep your fingers crossed the final cut will have extensive nudity. Because of the press controversy and the whole theme of the film could mean changes will be made to accommodate the potential distributors.

* It will be great if someone who was at the screening provides a bit of synopsis. Or have access to the script.

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roger76 wrote:
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Regarding the Deanna Walker article. Some people wonder why some actresses are reluctant to do nude or intimate scenes. It's because guys are assholes with big mouths. Can't believe someone would yell that at her.


It's akin to beautiful white-girl-hooking-up-with-black-(perceived)-ugly-guy syndrome.


No, it's akin to douchebag-saying-something-stupid syndrome. As in the example above.


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Regarding the Deanna Walker article. Some people wonder why some actresses are reluctant to do nude or intimate scenes. It's because guys are assholes with big mouths. Can't believe someone would yell that at her.


It's akin to beautiful white-girl-hooking-up-with-black-(perceived)-ugly-guy syndrome.


No, it's akin to douchebag-saying-something-stupid syndrome. As in the example above.


And what's you find so offensive? Have you ever seen the comments if the subject is IR couple or a gorgeous white girl is shown dating a black man in various forums? I comparing the guy reaction at Walker who in his head is simply too angelic-looking to be doing a role like that. In his head pretty girls should stick to playing sweet characters. Crude shout-out to demean her in the same way nasty comments are posted to describe a white woman if she dating a black man. Particularly if she is pretty (yep the racists are shallow morons).

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Interesting take on nudity clause and confirmation :cry: on Kristen Bell 'nudity'

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/t ... P5vEFkSiGP

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roger76 wrote:
Interesting take on nudity clause and confirmation :cry: on Kristen Bell 'nudity'

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/t ... P5vEFkSiGP


and there goes my interest in the show.


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roger76 wrote:
And what's you find so offensive? Have you ever seen the comments if the subject is IR couple or a gorgeous white girl is shown dating a black man in various forums? I comparing the guy reaction at Walker who in his head is simply too angelic-looking to be doing a role like that. In his head pretty girls should stick to playing sweet characters. Crude shout-out to demean her in the same way nasty comments are posted to describe a white woman if she dating a black man. Particularly if she is pretty (yep the racists are shallow morons).


Okay, my bad. I misinterpreted what you were trying to say.

But I disagree with the analogy. In Walker's case, a guy crudely indicated he liked seeing her naked. Really, that's not any different from what we do in this forum or in any prototypical all-male setting. The difference is that in her presence, most of us would know not to say it, or at least to say it in a way that was within polite bounds.

The IR sentiment would just be despicable no matter the setting or how expressed.


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For example - there is no real intimacy in IR-flavored porn (made in US) if the girl is fucking her first black man. White girls strip, he tongues her pussy, she barely blows him past the ‘head’(or he mouth-fucks her), mish and doggie the primarily positions, she groans in pain most of the time, rarely kiss each other and the cum is usually weak. Almost all the girls have strict rules when fucking black guys on-cam. No tender touches, no soothing talks during sex and certainly no kisses or sucking on the tits. The latter is big no-no when I was involved in IR-shots.


This just isn't true. At least not in every case. I obviously don't know your experience, but what you describe isn't universal at all. The first example to come to mind is Allie James in Amatuer Assault.

And I'm honestly surprised that no one commented on this before me. roger76, you really seem to have issues with interracial relations.

Sorry to quote an old post, but when I read it, I had to comment.


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l4z4rd wrote:
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Interesting take on nudity clause and confirmation :cry: on Kristen Bell 'nudity'

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/t ... P5vEFkSiGP


and there goes my interest in the show.


And proves exactly what I said here from the very first minute: That the phrase "dropping trou" was planned bullshit to make you think that she would get naked when the lying prick knew she wasn't. And all of you that watch the show hoping the secondary nobodies show something while all the male stars are forced to get naked are perpetuating this Hollywood policy.


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fwald wrote:
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And what's you find so offensive? Have you ever seen the comments if the subject is IR couple or a gorgeous white girl is shown dating a black man in various forums? I comparing the guy reaction at Walker who in his head is simply too angelic-looking to be doing a role like that. In his head pretty girls should stick to playing sweet characters. Crude shout-out to demean her in the same way nasty comments are posted to describe a white woman if she dating a black man. Particularly if she is pretty (yep the racists are shallow morons).


Okay, my bad. I misinterpreted what you were trying to say.

But I disagree with the analogy. In Walker's case, a guy crudely indicated he liked seeing her naked. Really, that's not any different from what we do in this forum or in any prototypical all-male setting. The difference is that in her presence, most of us would know not to say it, or at least to say it in a way that was within polite bounds.

The IR sentiment would just be despicable no matter the setting or how expressed.


Certain folks reaction to Dreama's nudity is similar to what you hear from racists (who hides it well in public) when they are in confines of their home or bars frequented by similar kind. Especially when they are drunk.......

When Seal and Heidi started dating, you had to be there to hear my 'friends' back in Florida go on and on about Heidi. "She was too beautiful to be with that 'thing'." "She must been abused as a child". "It's wrong man. Just wrong". “She is a coke-head. That’s it”.
It’s like Heidi was a white goddess all perfection in their twisted mind and debasing herself by dating Seal.

If they could publicly demean Heidi, they will but in this day and age the racist are clever in keeping the hatred beneath the false surface of acceptance.

Yes, the analogy is dissimilar but the tone and approach is the same.

And the sick comments always relates to IR if it's a pretty white girl and a black guy. Always. Just check out Dirty.com. Yahoo comments used to be filled with despicable posts but I believe they are censoring them now. We can argue the hate crowd is in minorities but I do wonder sometimes.

This because we are guilty of putting them on a pedestal and one-dimensionalizing the beautiful white women (yeah, I know it’s ironic coming from me) but what I’m ultimately trying to point out. Nothing untoward should happen to them and nothing they do must jeopardize what certain white Americana expects of her. The crazed perception is more obvious if the girl has background like Miss Walker. Wholesome, angelic looking and never expected to stray into world of sex and nudity. Ever.

The guy supposed to be part of the press and not member of this forum. I think he wanted to admonish Dreama for doing such a demeaning role but instead he chose the worst kind of insult to achieve two things. One to humiliate her in public and another to make sure she will never strip on screen again. The fact is if the victim looked like Melissa McCarthy, the reaction will be different.

Refer to this line from http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/20 ... %29&utm_co
What was the worst thing you heard at the Q&A?
There was a guy who said something about Dreama specifically, that I felt in really bad taste. From his reaction, I think that he regretted saying it at the same time. I actually felt bad for the guy. He said he enjoyed seeing her naked. I think in a way he was maybe trying to say something about the fact that something awful is happening to her and yet she is a beautiful girl and that made him uncomfortable, maybe.

and check out the comments.

Photos of Dreama - http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Dreama+Wal ... 6XE42MVqUb

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Anyone can confirm if nudity in This Must Be the Place (2011) involves Eve Hewson.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... miere.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... -Penn.html

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No nudity from Eve Hewson, sorry!



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roger76 wrote:
Interesting take on nudity clause and confirmation :cry: on Kristen Bell 'nudity'

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/t ... P5vEFkSiGP


I'm confused by the quote at the end of the article:

“The performer has the right to refuse to do [nudity] once they have agreed to do it,” says Screen Actors Guild rep Elizabeth Moseley.
“Basically, it is not binding. If the performer changes their mind, the producer (only) has the right to use a body double.”


I don't know if that's true (a SAG rep is going to interpret the rules in favor of the actors), but if it is true, why are they paying lawyers to craft all those intricate nudity clauses? Seems like a waste, if the actors can just do whatever they want.


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Interesting take on nudity clause and confirmation :cry: on Kristen Bell 'nudity'

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/t ... P5vEFkSiGP


I'm confused by the quote at the end of the article:

“The performer has the right to refuse to do [nudity] once they have agreed to do it,” says Screen Actors Guild rep Elizabeth Moseley.
“Basically, it is not binding. If the performer changes their mind, the producer (only) has the right to use a body double.”


I don't know if that's true (a SAG rep is going to interpret the rules in favor of the actors), but if it is true, why are they paying lawyers to craft all those intricate nudity clauses? Seems like a waste, if the actors can just do whatever they want.


Modern contracts are far more flexible thanks to very protective agents out to make sure their clients are not short-changed in negotiating with the big fish. Contracts now revolve around cash incentives balanced out with build in clauses to help protect both parties in case of unforeseeable issues cropping up in the future.

Each clause has it push-pull like deals. For example if a female artist activates the nudity clause (cold feet at the last min), the producers have the right to use the inducement cash to cover the cost of hiring BD or to reshoot the scene from close and different lights and angle. Unlike long-term contracts of network-based stars, the cable ones operates on a rolling basis based on the first season ratings and total budget allocated for that particular show. The latter is quite vital in that cash packages are made attractive for guest stars willing to strip. The producers are much stricter on guest spots (if you are prude, don’t bother to apply) than on regulars when it comes to requirements for the role.

That’s probably why I'm pretty much stoked about upcoming House Of Lies episodes. The female guest stars are one attractive bunch (hmm...imdb removed the guest credits). The thing with Bell is a downer but I can live with it now that Emma Rossum is back and set to be at her sexiest in this season of Shameless. :)

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from a review at http://www.movies.com/movie-news/save-t ... eview/6370

"Sarah (Caplan) is pretty happy with her independent life as an artist and bookstore manager"

"Save the Date is beautifully shot, especially the intimate love scenes, and the integration of Brown's cartoon-ish drawings doesn't overwhelm or make the movie look too precious. The script is quietly funny and genuine; during one sex scene, Sarah laughs and tells Jonathan, "Your dick tastes like merlot."

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