You're just trolling again. That or you're incapable of backing down even when your argument is invalid. That says something about your character.

When you can't give a reasonable answer to people who expose your flawed logic, then people are 'missing the point'

How is my argument invalid?

Knew you couldn't back it up.

I'm not trying to be an ass Mizzen, but you did say that. In your very next post two minutes later. First you say "She Doesn't Need to do Something She Doesn't Want to in Order to Become a Better Actress" then two minutes later (see below) you say "She needs to Push Her Boundries and Leave Her Comfort Zone". You can split hairs if you want to, but I interpret those two statements as contradictory.

You're such a child. This entire thread backs it up. I just have zero desire to play a game of back-and-forth with you.

Again why does the thread back it up.


You're the child friend. Children make claims that they explain.

So you're quoting me now on something I haven't said? My word what are you people smoking?

I never said she needs to do anything. I said she falls into group B, I also said if you look back to one of my first posts that no one should judge her on the type of actress she want to be.

STOP MISSQUOTING ME.

Nudity ≠ Commitment

and the idea that she won't means she's lacking work ethic and commitment to doing her best for the project, even though there hasn't been a situation where she signed on to do a role that required nudity and failed to comply. Show me where she hasn't shown commitment to project she has signed on to do. MACHETE isn't an example. They wrote the role a certain way, but then changed it slightly to be able to get her to play it. Something which happens ALL THE TIME in Hollywood and everywhere else. SALT was supposed to star Tom Cruise ffs.

You are making pretty definitive character judgments (though you said no one should judge her) based one one thing, as if nudity is the be-all-end-all, without taking into consideration that there are very likely numerous other things that she's done for the sake of a project that she found difficult of uncomfortable. Point is, don't be so quick to lump people as one thing or the other when you know very very little about what's actually going on.

Even the best actresses turn down scripts for various reasons relating to the characters they would be tasked to portray. None of them I can think of is indicative of a character flaw.
Your GROUP A / GROUP B categorization is too narrow, simplistic, and naive. How many of those actresses that you'd put in GROUP A would star in a film like 9 Songs, where they'd have to have explicit sex? By your logic, they all show a lack of commitment and an unwillingness to push personal boundaries, even though they didn't agree to be in the movie to begin with. The fact that they would never do unsimulated sex onscreen for any movie has to say something about their work ethic, no?
How many of them argue with the writer and director over lines, character motivations, etc? Are they too lacking work ethic? As I said, your guidelines are much too simplistic, as is your main premise.

Besides, the one role she's done in which some form of nudity would be required for the good of the movie (The Killer Inside Me) she at least stepped to the plate and showed something. I'm willing to bet that the bit of nudity she showed was the least uncomfortable thing she did in the whole bloody movie. She was brave to take the part.

You're making me defend Jessica Alba for fuck's sake, and for that I will never forgive you.


If you still play (?) dumb after reading this lengthy diatribe, then... then I guess this stupid argument will still continue
But without my involvement. I'll just be a spectator.

Carry on!

She's used body doubles before. Machete is an example because they had to change the script to fit her needs not for the benefit of the film.

Yours is the agrument that's invalid.

End thread.

I knew you'd split hairs. You didn't ad "Leave Her Comfort Zone" this time (though you have said that several times before) but you did say "Push Her Boundaries", right? It's clear what you meant. She's a poor actress because she falls into group B and doesn't "Push her Boundaries".


Then Please tell me what does "Push Her Boundaries" mean if (as you've already stated) it doesn't mean do something she'd rather not do. What do you mean by "Push Her Boundaries"? Please tell me because I don't have a clue. My tiny brain can't comprehend it.

Yes, many actresses have used body doubles. That includes those "committed" actresses that have previously "pushed their boundaries" and done nude scenes. So, that's stating a fact that doesn't make any real point.

The only way her refusal to do nudity is a problem is if she took a job knowing that it requires nudity, and waited until she got the job and the film had already started shooting to tell the director and producers that she won't do the nude scene. If that were the case, then she'd be using the fact that the company already had a lot of money tied up in the shoot to force them to change the movie to accommodate her. If that weren't the case, then you can't fault an actress for taking a job where the director had agreed to alter his intentions to convince her to take the role. Besides, with the use of body doubles these days, it's hard to see how an actresses' refusal to get nude hurts the film. With some good camera work, the only way that the audience knows it's not the actress is when she says it wasn't her naked body. How does that hurt the film? Does the fact that the nude body in question doesn't belong to a famous person hurt the "integrity" of the film? Of course not. It simply disappoints horny guys like myself that for some reason get an extra jolt out of seeing someone famous naked. It has the feel of being somewhat taboo, yet it's not inappropriate.

It's very simple indeed and I agree 100% .
If you want to be an actress, then you shouldn't mind doing something like actionscenes, nudescenes and so on. Same goes for all occupations. If you want to commit yourself to something, then you shouldn't have limitations: things you don't want to do that usually come with the job.
Yes, I do want to be a housecleaner, but I don't do toilets because it's gross. If you commit to the job you're doing, then you also do the parts that you might hate. They come with the job so you do them.

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I don't think that's the point. Jessica Alba is poor actress because her acting abilities are weak and not because there are things she won't do on camera. If she suddenly shed these self imposed "boundaries" would she instantly become a better actress? Would she suddenly have more credibility if she showed her tits?

Go back to the movies of the 40's and 50's and there were many "boundaries" imposed on the actors by limitations on what they could show or do in films. Did that make these films and actors inferior? I don't think so, some of the best films ever made come from that era.

The basic argument is that just the act of doing a nude scene will not help Jessica Alba's acting or make her a more credible actress.

No, ofcourse not. But fact is that a whole lot of the well known (oscarwinning) actresses do nót have these boundaries. My guess is that's because they feel they have to give it all to become a great and serious actress. Of course we also have lot's of actresses who go nude that are NOT serious actresses, but that's not the point. The point is that the really great actresses hardly ever have a no-nudity clause. That fact might tell you something about the acting abilities of actresses like Jennifer Love Hewitt, Sarah Michelle Gellar and Jessica Alba. They just do not commit as much to the job as actresses like Kate Winslet, Helen Mirren, Charlize Theron, Penelope Cruz, Marion Cotillard and so on.

But we seem to agree to disagree, so let's leave it at that.

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I see your point Vidman, but it seems you're making the assumption (and I'm paraphrasing here) "because most actresses are willing to do nudity and these inferior actresses aren't, it could be an indication of their level of commitment to their craft", and I'm just not ready to equate acting skills with someone's willingness to get naked.

I think someone can refuse to do a nude scene and still be a great actress, and I think you'd agree, there's a lot of "could", "maybe" and "possibly" in your supposition and that someone's unwillingness to do nudity is no real indication of their acting skills.

Maybe you're saying "it's an effect and not a cause", which is possible (although speculative), but Mizzen seems to be saying "It's a cause, not an effect" which I don't believe.


a Simple Statement of Facts I believe Everyone Will Agree On:
1) Jessica Alba Is Not a Very Good Actress
2) There are Both Good & Bad Actresses Who Have Done Nude Scenes
3) There are Both Good & Bad Actresses Who Haven't Done Nude Scenes

Put them all together and the conclusion is we really don't know anything about Jessica's Acting ability based on Whether or Not She's Done a Nude Scene. It's her acting that indicates to us she is not a great actress.